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""Official" hood hinge thread"
May-27-09, 09:12 PM (EDT)
Ok,
Here are 5 pictures on my hood hinge design.
This is not the prototype, but the finished product.
What these hinges do is tilt the front of the hood up AND away from the cowl. They also raise the hood along with lifting it.
When installed at the proper angle, you can tilt the hood to almost 90 degrees without the front of the hood touching the ground.
I have tested the prototype and they do work.
Now these hinges have slots which are just for looks. Notice that they also have several sets of holes which allow for you to adjust the hood to fit a specific application. As everyone knows, (or should know) hinge mounting points are all over the place, depending on the kit and who installed the inner front part of the fender.
Also note that the hinges have 3 mounting points. This will allow for adjustments based on how the hinge mounting plate has been installed. On my Bohannon unit, I have huge plates which also double as a radiator support. They will be significantly trimmed before final assembly, as all that metal is not needed.
Note that there are several views of the hinges.
The shots of them on the car are mock ups. Note that they are attached with C clamps just for these photos.
With all of that said, you can see how these hinges work. Note just how heavily they are built as opposed to the reversed hood hinges we have all struggled with over the years.
I posted these pics because of the many, many emails regarding this topic.
Now before you start saying "gimme mine, I want them, make me some, send me free patterns, etc, please note this: You guys that really know me also know just how brutally honest I am and straightforward to say the least.
I did not build these to sell. I had help from a machinist on the final product through johnnymaco. I only built enough for me.
They were very expensive to have cut out and welded. I spent years off and on playing with this design.
Just ask yourself what you have donated to the maco hobby before you demand your drawings.

I'm not doing this to piss anyone off, I just want everyone to know how I feel about this. Personally, I have sent out plans for these before and also copies of Correct orig. Motion Maco grille templates that were copied from NOS maco grilles.
So, after reading all this BS, here are the shots.... enjoy!

"Randy"

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1. "RE: "Official" hood hinge thread"
May-27-09, 10:35 PM (EDT)
Thank you for posting these great photos and info
on how it all works. We have been needing this
thread for quite some time.

McBrain


 

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2. "RE: "Official" hood hinge thread"
May-27-09, 11:00 PM (EDT)
The look great, and seem to solve a multitude of problems. I'm ready to upgrade!

I don't know if I've earned my wings yet or not... working on my Maco like a madman, though!

I've got to figure something out for my hinges as well... the "factory" hinges are barely acceptable... They allow the hood to move all over the place; way too weak for the mass of the tilt front end. I can only imagine what might happen at 120+ with a bunch of high-pressure air buildup under the hood.

Well done. ~Tim

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3. "RE: "Official" hood hinge thread"
Jul-25-09, 01:37 PM (EDT)
These are probably the best pictures, and hinges yet. Thanks Randy, even though they are mounted differently than mine this will help out a lot. An even worse pressure problem is the low pressure (lift) going over the high lift wing shape of the front and fenders. The higher the fender, the higher the lift. One of the advantages of the fender louvers on the trans-am and Greenwood cars is to equalize the under and over hood pressures. I would love to find a set for my car. I also plan on putting wire rope lanyards to the frame as a just in case measure.


 

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4. "RE: "Official" hood hinge thread"
Jul-29-09, 11:48 AM (EDT)
is this the Kit I have in the box?

Gabriele "Attila" Morasso


 

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5. "RE: "Official" hood hinge thread"
Aug-30-09, 01:01 PM (EDT)
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One of the advantages of the fender louvers on the trans-am and Greenwood cars is to equalize the under and over hood pressures. I would love to find a set for my car.

I was just reading back through this hinge thread and read the above... the '96 and later Dodge Viper GTS models had upper fender air extractors in similar fashion that would look right at home on Corvette fenders; might be something to look into.

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6. "RE: "Official" hood hinge thread"
Sep-01-09, 07:38 AM (EDT)
Lets keep this thread on Hinges.
Thanks.

"Randy"


 

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7. "RE:"
Sep-01-09, 12:50 PM (EDT)
Cool, back to hinge talk,

I have been reluctant to post this because I believe it will be greeted with a lot of skepticism. because as it was to me it just sounds too easy a fix and one of those "Why didn't I think of this"

I admit the first time I was doing a Mako I knew the Ecklers tilt front clip style pivot would not work as it was too low so I followed what the others here were doing,
Much thought , time and work has gone into reworking stock truck or car double moment hinges to work on the Makos,
What no one considered was that double moment hinges was only needed because of where the pivot point is within the front clip, move the pivot forward and up and a person no longer needs an elaborate hinge but gains a simple more sturdy single pivot point,
The Mako clip I just bought came with what I will call a well thought out pivot system,
While all I have at the moment is one crappy picture of the new clip, I did do a little test of my theory and while I have no scanner these pictures serve to show that where the pivot point is makes all the difference,
Please note the pivot points are approximate not down to the scale inch

This first picture shows a single pivot point about where everyone mounts the truck hinges on a Mako clip, or about like an Ecklers tilt front end would pivot.

Now with the front clip open we see how much overhang the beak has and anyone that has a mako knows this single pivot will not work on a Mako the beak drags the ground before the open is open wide enough to even check the oil,

So dual movement hinges were needed to open the clip up and forward,
But not the end of the story, there are more than one way to tackle a problem,
It's all about pivot location,
If we break out of the box and mount the pivot higher and more forward in the clip we get the clip to open as much as the dual motion hinge but from a single pivot,


Here is the picture of the single pivot on a car working very well and as you can see the clip is open as wide or wider than the double movement hinge set up. the ends of the pivot rod are bearings so there is no slop,


The builder did do one thing I don't care for and that is placing the pivot support in front of the radiator but that will be no big deal to move that out to the sides of the radiator,

...We Are The Music Makers & We Are the Dreamers Of The Dreams...
Cheers,
P.


 

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8. "RE:"
Sep-01-09, 01:22 PM (EDT)
Interesting. Rick has a pivot set up on his short tail car.
My newest design, as pictured above, is probably a little different from the plans I sent you years ago. It has more mounting options and variables when it comes to the actual working of the hinge.
The further forward the hinge pivot, the better it is. Also higher up.
One thing to keep in mind, is what happens to the bottom of the hood when it rolls under during opening.
I guess its just a matter of what each individual can figure out on his own.... wish more people would comment and better yet, participate... more opinions usually mean a better product. When I did these, I had to figure them out by myself with zero help.

"Randy"


 

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9. "RE:"
Sep-01-09, 03:49 PM (EDT)
Right on!
I can't take credit for this but as you see by the picture on the car the roll under works fine,

I was under the impression the guide on yours were car/truck hood hinges, it's the same basic idea, and if the builder desires that mounting point a hinge like yours is a must have,

When I got here way back all I did was beg David for pictures of his hinges, when Motion sent me that clip that went on the 81 it was all bare on the underside, the buyer had to work it out, Rosen loved to answer questions with "I don't rememeber", when you have others doing your work it's easy to forget how it's built,

I can lay out my clip and take more pictures but it really doesn't matter until I have it on a car,

It's hard on small forums where you only have a few people posting then how many are building the car or are past owners,
You might have seen I hang on the other vette forum a lot, I am the black sheep there but I like having so many views and opinions on a subject,

...We Are The Music Makers & We Are the Dreamers Of The Dreams...
Cheers,
P.


 

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10. "RE:"
Sep-01-09, 04:22 PM (EDT)
Dialog is what we all need to work things out when it comes to building custom stuff.
Anybody (just about) can build it when all the stuff comes off the shelf.
Good job.

"Randy"


 

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